Talk: Lost Lore

Lost Lore research discussion

Strikes

This discussion was originally from the to-do list. That is why there are seemingly arbitrary floating points, as well as text or tables that do not belong to any user, in this discussion, they are actually tasks or editable content from the to-do list.

Some unanswered questions:

• What are the bonus for bonus units?

It seems bonus units get +10 HP and +4 Atk/Spd/Def/Res. Calculate using Clarisse against Camus, with and without  Life and Death 3. Pival13 (talk) 09:38, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

• How do crits work?

From image analysis, it seems that critical hits do 3 times the damage. This is also the behavior in many mainline FE games. Tested with Michalis (skill refined Hauteclere, Noontime) vs Lance Cavalier, 49 HP pixels lost with crit, 16 HP pixels lost with regular attack (Resolution: 1080x1920). Also this one test can be reused and also serve to solve whether merges matter if someone happens to have a merged Michalis and counts the pixels lost there too. Endilyn (talk) 00:59, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I would like to agreed, however I've seen some critical hits dealing between 2 and 3 times the damage. As an example, my Silque first attack and removed 7/150px to Gangrel and after inflict a crit that removed 14/150px. Pival13 (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• Do skills matter in strikes?

TODO:

• Raven weapons

Naglfar has no effect on damage dealt. Lyon (48 Atk) deals 18px while Lewyn (48 Atk) deals 17px. (extra pixel is probably just graphics rounding difference) Endilyn (talk) 00:02, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

• Staff (with and without  Wrathful Staff 3)

Wrathful Staff has no effect. Endilyn (talk) 00:02, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Staff damage are calculate like other weapons. Pival13 (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• Effect of breath weapons and Felicia's Plate (using lower Def/Res)

  Has no effect. Tested with Felicia's Plate vs Lorenz. Endilyn (talk) 05:52, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Same for  Breath of Blight. Pival13 (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• +2 Atk of beast units (probably doesn't applied, but need to be checked)

Not applied, neither on human nor beast team. Pival13 (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

It seems like non-stat skills like Distant Counter do not matter. However, I am still unsure about skills like Fury (permanent stats), and Death Blow (combat stats). Endilyn (talk) 00:59, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

 Triangle Adept 3 doesn't work too. Here is my theorie: the stats of the units and their weakness are saved at the beginning of the strike but everything else is ignore. That may explain why only skills affecting stats work and why triangle adept, out-of-combat damage (from fury and savage blow, both tested) and effectiveness from Thani are ignore. Pival13 (talk) 21:27, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Effectiveness seems to be saved at the beginning of the strike too. Pival13 (talk) 06:32, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

It seems also that effective weapons aren't effective.  Micaiah: Priestess of Dawn (with Thani) deals less damage than  Tiki: Legendary Dragon to Lorenz. Pival13 (talk) 19:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

That's good to know, I have heard reports of Caeda dying quickly to Bow Cavalier so I wondered whether skills like Iote's shield had an effect. Endilyn (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I am testing Michalis against Camus now (since the lance cavalier is too low HP to survive 2 strikes). I have already sent him against Camus, next I will send him after inheriting Fury 3. Endilyn (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't know if all skills are useful, but Iote's Shield work well and weapons deal greater damage. Moreover units deal damage even without weapons. Pival13 (talk) 20:13, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

There are three possibilities if Iote's Shield works well: 1. Effective damage does not exist and Iote's Shield actually has no effect, 2. Effective damage exists only for the enemy, 3. Only 'natural' effective damage from bows work, and unique effectiveness from skills like Tiki's does not work. Endilyn (talk) 00:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

The first is false, I already tried it to check the usefulness. Pival13 (talk) 16:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

In fact, Poleaxe deal more damage to the Lance Cavalier than Silver Axe. I deal 21/100px with 48*1.8 (eff + weapon's advantage) = 86 Atk and 12/100px with 49*1.2 (wa) = 58 Atk. That would mean 28 damage seems to correspond to 9px, so the Lance Cavalier would have about 300 HP and 20-25 Def. Pival13 (talk) 06:15, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Ridersbane+ with 46 Atk deals 16px to Camus. Wagasa+ with 46 Atk deals 6px. Endilyn (talk) 00:02, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

I have double checked and I think all effectiveness is counted, Hinoka: Blue Sky Warrior with Warrior Princess deals 15px damage to Lorenz while Loki: Spring Trickster deals 4px, while both have the same Atk (46). The reason your Micaiah dealt less damage must be something else, perhaps effectiveness does not operate the same way as normal in Heroes. I receive contradictory results when calculating under the assumption effectiveness is 1.5x Atk for Lorenz's HP. Loki: (46Atk - 36Def) / (4/150) ≈ 375HP, Hinoka: ((46 * 1.5)Atk - 36Def) / (4/150) ≈ 330HP. Endilyn (talk) 03:00, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

No, all effectiveness are not counted. My  Robin: Mystery Tactician with Keen Gronnwolf+ deals 21/100px to the Lance Cavalier, while  Micaiah: Queen of Dawn with Light of Dawn deals 11/100px to the Lance Cavalier. I will check with Hermit's Tome and Rhomphaia to see if it's something that applied to magic or to double effectiveness weapon or something else. Pival13 (talk) 06:42, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

It looks like stat skills matter. I have equipped +3 Attack (a slot) and +3 Attack (seal) on Michalis, and he does 17px against Camus, whereas before he did 13px. Endilyn (talk) 00:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Skills like Death Blow have no effect. Est does 11px to Lorenz with or without Death Blow equipped. Endilyn (talk) 01:35, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Brave weapons and  Follow-Up Ring have no effect too. It's probably the same for all skills relating follow-up. Pival13 (talk) 16:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I had also tested this with Bold Fighter, it has no effect. Endilyn (talk) 20:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

• Do merges matter in strikes?

"During strike missions, your Heroes are treated as level 40 5★ Heroes regardless of their level or rarity." - Lost Lore (White Rose and Sable Knight) (Notification)

I used my +2 Michalis (+2HP, +2Atk, +1Spd, +2Def) on the Lance Cavalier. I've got almost 11px on regular attack and 33px on critic (720x1280), which correspond to 16px and 49px with a resolution of 1080x1920. Pival13 (talk) 09:21, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

It appears we can sufficiently conclude that levels, rarity, and merges have no effect in strikes. Dragonflowers, although untested, are probably the same. Endilyn (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Dragonflowers are ignore. My Naga (+5 dragonflowers, +HP) receive 14/100px damage from Camus. 44 Atk - 34+4 (bonus) def = 6 damage. 6 / 42+10 (asset+bonus) HP = 11.5% life lost. Without dragonflowers: (44 - 37)/51 = 13.7% life lost. Pival13 (talk) 09:38, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Summoner Support is ignore too. Pival13 (talk) 12:52, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

• Do IVs matter?

Results of my test: both assets and flaws matter. An +Atk -Def Duma deals and receives more damage than a neutral one. Endilyn (talk) 03:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

CARE!!! Flaws remove with the first merge is back! Pival13 (talk) 12:52, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

First merge extra stats do not matter for neutral units. Endilyn (talk) 03:55, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

• Does changing the skills of Heroes mid-strike have any effect on future turns? (low importance)

No, it doesn't. I tried to remove Iote's Shield between 1st and 2nd turn but damage were the same. Pival13 (talk) 16:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

• How work Ally Support? (is improve? stats bonus?)

Units receive the same bonus as always, depending their rank. This bonus applied even if they are at both ends. Pival13 (talk) 12:52, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Is improve each four hours, even if one of the supported allies die. Still don't know if both die. Pival13 (talk) 18:54, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

• What happends if their rank is increase during strikes? (increase counter for next rank? stats bonus are changed?)

Enemy Stats

• Try to find enemy stats if possible.

• Bytes pertaining to the enemies:

Unit	Bytes
White Rose and Sable Knight
Camus	FF	3E	A8	E1		83	75	83	CA		F3	B2	63	AE		C9	71	7D	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Lorenz	FE	3F	A9	E2		83	75	A1	CA		EF	B2	77	AE		F2	71	76	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Bow Cavalier	FD	38	AF	E1		8B	75	55	CB		F7	B2	61	AE		DB	71	7D	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Lance Cavalier	FD	38	A8	E1		83	75	0D	CB		F6	B2	67	AE		C8	71	7F	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
One of True Sight
Narcian	FF	3E	A9	E0		83	75	99	CA		F6	B2	65	AE		F3	71	7E	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Windham	FE	3F	A5	E3		83	75	C7	CA		F6	B2	62	AE		CE	71	47	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Blue Mage	FD	38	A5	E3		83	75	5F	CB		F0	B2	76	AE		C0	71	7B	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Lance Knight	FD	38	A8	E2		83	75	C9	CA		F4	B2	6E	AE		F4	71	6B	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
The Martyr Exalt
Gangrel	FF	3E	AE	E3		83	75	BF	CA		F8	B2	5F	AE		CC	71	47	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Mustafa	FE	3F	AB	E3		83	75	83	CA		F2	B2	65	AE		F7	71	73	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Plegian	FD	38	AB	E0		83	75	F3	CA		F5	B2	62	AE		F6	71	75	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Risen	FC	38	AF	E3		8B	75	37	CB		F7	B2	60	AE		C3	71	7F	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
His Inner Strength
Rudolf	FF	3E	A8	E1		83	75	97	CA		F4	B2	62	AE		F2	71	70	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Lance Knight	FE	38	A8	E2		83	75	B5	CA		F4	B2	73	AE		F3	71	76	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Bow Cavalier	FE	38	AF	E1		8B	75	37	CB		F7	B2	60	AE		C3	71	7F	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Red Mage	FE	38	A2	E3		83	75	41	CB		F5	B2	63	AE		C7	71	47	6C		CF	2E	2F	E8		5D	9D	59	60
Info	NameId	Rarity	Weapon Type	Move type		Effectiveness		HP			Atk		Spd			Def		Res
Xor	FF	3B	A9	E3		7583		CBEB			B2DF		AE7E			71D6		6C67

Enemy stat ranking (and other conditions used to identify bytes)
HP	A single pixel width can represent up to 7HP or more depending on factors like screen resolution, enemy max health. Several tests and calculations are needed. Camus > Bow Cavalier Camus > Lance Cavalier Lorenz > Bow Cavalier Lorenz > Lance Cavalier 384 > Camus >= 256 56 Atk Duma vs Camus: (59Atk - 26Res) / (14px/150px) ≈ 353.57 HP Endilyn (talk) 03:00, 31 August 2019 (UTC) 54 Atk Corrin: Wailing Soul vs Camus: (54Atk - 26Res) / (10px/150px) ≈ 420 HP Endilyn (talk) 06:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC) 31px was lost when this Corrin dealt a critical hit. Endilyn (talk) 06:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC) 384 > Lorenz >= 256 46 Atk Loki: Spring Trickster vs Lorenz: (46Atk - 36Def) / (4px/150px) ≈ 375HP Endilyn (talk) 03:00, 31 August 2019 (UTC) Ephraim: Legendary Lord (58Atk) dealt 11px. Endilyn (talk) 06:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC) Bow Cavalier >= 128 Lance Cavalier >= 128 Corrin: Wailing Soul vs Lance Cavalier: (54Atk - 24Res) / (17px/150px) ≈ 264.71 HP Endilyn (talk) 03:00, 31 August 2019 (UTC) 46 Atk Loki: Spring Trickster: (46Atk - 30Def )/(11px/150px) ≈ 218.18 HP Endilyn (talk) 06:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC) Blue Mage ~250 6 strikes at 35 damages (57 Atk Phys) remove 125/150px of life. Then a 41 damage (63 Atk Phys) defeat it. Pival13 (talk) 17:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC) Detail of combat: 6 strikes from Hector: Brave Warrior with Maltet (53 Atk + 4 bonus = 57) and 1 strike from Walhart: The Conqueror with Wolf Berg (53 Atk + 10 WA). Total damage dealt: 251 ==> life between 211 and 251. Pival13 (talk) 20:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC) Second fight: 2 strikes from Barst without weapon (33 Atk > 17 damages) removes 28/150px. 2 strikes from winter Ephraim with Festive Siegmund (57 Atk > 35 damages) removes 42/150px. Then 1 strike and 1 crit from same Ephraim defeat it (80/150px). Total damage dealt: 244 ==> life between 139 and 244.. Something is strange about weapon advantage. Comparing with damage from ephraim, barst would dealt 23 damage by hit, meaning 45 Atk. This would be possible with triangle adept. Pival13 (talk) 16:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC) Lance Knight ~570 / ~300 8 strikes at 49 damages (61 Atk Mag) remove 103/150px of life. 2 strikes dealt 25/150px. Pival13 (talk) 17:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC) Seems to be incoherent as it have almost the same life than Windham. 3 strikes and 1 crit at 12 damages (24 Atk Mag) remove 37/150px of life. Correspond to 300HP. Then 2 strikes at 7 damages (41 Atk phys) defeat it (10/150px). Previous results may be more coherant if we considered they'd attacked on its Def. For info, there was 6 strikes from Fae: Divine Dragon with refined Light Breath+ (47 Atk + 4 bonus + 10 weapon advantage = 61), 2 strikes from Micaiah: Queen of Dawn with Thani (51 Atk + 10 weapon advantage, effectivness is ignore as it was the same damage than Fae), 3 strikes and 1 crit from Corrin: Fatefull Princess without weapon (24 Atk) and 2 strikes from Sumia: Maid of Flower with -Atk and Reprisal Lance+ (41 Atk). Total damage dealt: unknow due to first results. Pival13 (talk) 20:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC) Second fight: 2 strikes from bridal Lyn without weapon (28 Atk > 16 damages) removes 21/150px. 4 strikes from Sharena with Fensalir and Life and Death 3 (53 Atk > 19 damages) removes 39/150px. 1 supportiv strike from winter ephraim (same above, 23 damages) remove 12/150px. 6 strikes from legendary Ephraim with Flame Siegmund (55 Atk > 21 damages) removes 65/150px. 2 others strikes from legendary ephraim defeat it (13/150px). Total damage dealt: 299 ==> life between 278 and 299. Pival13 (talk) 16:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC) Windham ~350 6 strikes at 29 damages (61 Atk Mag) remove 75/150px of life. 2 other strikes at 29 damages (53 Atk Phys) remove 25/150px. Pival13 (talk) 17:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC) 2 strikes at 45 damages (69 Atk Phys) remove 45/150px of life. Then 2 strikes at 7 damages (39 Atk Mag) defeat it (5/150px). Detail of combats: 6 strikes from Nino: Pious Mage with Iris's Tome (47 Atk + 4 bonus + 10 WA = 61), 2 strikes from Sharena: Princess of Askr with refined Fensalir and Life and Death 3 (53 Atk), 2 strikes from Dorcas: Serene Warrior +Atk with Stout Tomahawk (54 Atk + 4 bonus + 11 WA = 69) and 2 strikes from Kliff: Curious Spirit with -Atk and Sagittae (39 Atk). Pival13 (talk) 20:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC) Total damage dealt: 336 ==> Life between 330 and 336. Pival13 (talk) 20:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC) Second fight: 2 strikes from Silvia with Barrier Sword+ (41 Atk > 9 damages) removes 8/150px. 2 strikes from legendary Ephraim (see above, 31 damages) removes 31/150px. 8 strikes from Sharena (see above, 29 damages) removes 100/150px. 1 final strike from Sharena defeat it (11/150px). Total damage dealt: 341 ==> life between 312 and 341. Pival13 (talk) 16:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC) Narcian ~450 6 strikes at 31 damages (68 Atk Phys) remove 61/150px of life. 2 other strikes at 7 damages (44 Atk Phys) remove 5/150px. Pival13 (talk) 17:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC) 2 strikes at 32 damages (69 Atk Phys) remove 21/150px of life. Then a support ?? damages (48 Atk Mag) remove 9/150px. 2 strikes at 23 damages (48 Atk Mag) remove 19/150px and a support crit at ?? damages (69 Atk Phys) remove 26/150px. Finally 2 strikes at 4 damages (41 Atk Phys) remove 3/150px and a support ?? damages (61 Atk Phys) defeat it (6/150px). '??' correspond to support strike, as I don't know how they are calculated. Detail of combats: 6 strikes from Eliwood: Marquess Pherae with Ninis's Ice Lance (53 Atk + 4 bonus + 11 WA = 68), 2 strikes from Marisa: Crimson Flash with refined Wo Dao+ (44 Atk), 2 strikes from Hinoka: Blue Sky Warrior with Warrior Princess (46 Atk + 23 effect, effective here considering damage = 69) and a support from Merric: Wind Mage with Excalibur (40 Atk + 20 effect - 12 WD = 48), then 2 strikes from Merric and a critic support from Hinoka, and finally two strikes from Silvia: Traveling Dancer with Barrier S.+ (41 Atk) and a critic support from Nina: Eye Spy -Atk with Shining Bow+ (41 Atk + 20 effec = 61). Total damage dealt: Unsure do to support strikes. Maybe 509 ==> Life between 438 and 509. Pival13 (talk) 20:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC) Second fight: 2 strikes from Nanna -Atk with Absorb (27 Atk > 2 damages) removes 2/150px. 10 strikes from F Byleth +Atk with Creator Sword and Fury 3 (56 Atk > 19 damages) removes 77/150px. 1 supportiv strike from Silvia (see above, 4 damages) removes 2/150px. 1 suppotiv strike from Black Knight with Alondite (50 Atk > 13 damages) and 1 supportiv strike from Alfonse with Folkvangr and Fury 3 (54 Atk > 17 damages) removes 13/150px. 3 strikes and 1 crit from F Byleth removes 45/150px. 2 other strikes from F Byleth defeat it (11/150px). Total damage dealt: 380 ==> life between 361 and 380. Pival13 (talk) 16:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC) I played a bit with the game assets in order to retrieve HP. I put every enemies' HP to 0xCBE0, and the appropriate value in order to have 0 Atk, +99 Spd, 25 Def and 25 Res. I also made every enemies Colorless Bow Infantry unit. Then I used neutral Alfonse, Sharena, Anna and Takumi without weapon to fight them. The result is as follow: Alfonse did a crit, defeating his opponent -> Useless. Sharena and Takumi dealt 95px on a single hit. They both have 32 Atk - 25 Def = 7 Damage. 150 * 7 / 95 = 11.O5 Anna dealt 55px on a single hit, 109px on two hits. She has 29 Atk - 25 Def = 4 Damage. 150 * 4 / 55 = 10.91. 150 * 8 / 109 = 11.01. I will double check the value of Def, but it seems that the bytes CBE0 are equal to 11HP. Which would mean the XOR value is CBEB. Pival13 (talk) 15:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Atk	Lorenz > Bow Cavalier Lorenz > Lance Cavalier Camus > Lance Cavalier
Spd	Note: assisting allies that fight out of their column cannot perform follow-ups (but can crit). Camus > Generics (?? > ??) > Lorenz Bow Cavalier > Lance Cavalier? (doesn't seem to match non-LL stats?) Just double tested this. My 30 Spd Shiro was unable to follow-up on Bow Cav. The bow cav is just unusually fast. Endilyn (talk) 18:24, 23 August 2019 (UTC) My Saber with HP/Spd 2 equipped (35 Spd) was unable to follow-up on Bow Cav (same column). Endilyn (talk) 03:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC) My Wrys (23 Spd before bonuses) was unable to follow-up on the Bow Cav, but did not receive a follow-up (Bonus stat is probably +4 Spd). The Bow Cav is dead for me now so if someone could test 36 Spd against the cav that would be great. Endilyn (talk) 16:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC) 36 Spd Sigrun: Loyal Protector can follow-up on Bow Cav. This also confirms the follow-up threshold is 5, same as normal. This also confirms Bow Cav's Speed is 31. Endilyn (talk) 00:14, 27 August 2019 (UTC) Camus = 29 34 Speed Ethlyn can follow-up on Camus. Endilyn (talk) 00:14, 27 August 2019 (UTC) Lorenz < 12 Lorenz > 6 Lance Cavalier < 29 Lance Cavalier >= 21
Def	Lorenz = 36 My neutral Felicia who is 4 +10 can deal very minor damage to Lorenz with Felicia's Plate. Her Atk is either 37 or 38, depending on whether the first merge extra stats are counted. Endilyn (talk) 05:52, 29 August 2019 (UTC) Elincia: Lost Princess with 37 Atk can deal damage to Lorenz. Endilyn (talk) 03:54, 30 August 2019 (UTC) Chrom: Knight Exalt with 36 Atk cannot deal damage. Endilyn (talk) 17:57, 30 August 2019 (UTC) A neutral 4 +10 Hinata: Wild Samurai with Fury 3 and Atk+1 seal cannot deal damage. Endilyn (talk) 03:54, 30 August 2019 (UTC) Camus < 35 Camus > 30 Lance Cavalry < 38 Lance Cavalry > 25 Possible XOR values, assuming Def comes after Spd: Camus: 31 Lorenz: 36 BC: 13 LC: 30 xor:29142
Res	Lorenz < 18 Camus = 26 Nanna -Atk with Absorb (27 Atk) deals damage but Clarine (25 Atk) doesn't. Pival13 (talk) 15:44, 30 August 2019 (UTC) A Neutral 1  Lissa: Sprightly Cleric with no merges and all unequipped (26 Atk when treated as 5 star level 40) deals no damage to Camus. Endilyn (talk) 17:57, 30 August 2019 (UTC) Lance Cavalry < 25 The same Clarine deals damage. Pival13 (talk) 15:44, 30 August 2019 (UTC) Possible XOR values, assuming Res comes after Spd and Def: Camus: 26 Lorenz: 17 BC: 26 LC: 24 xor:27751

• I think the B2 column is Atk. The previous column values do not satisfy the Atk conditions. Possible xor values:

  Camus: 4 Lorenz: 24 BC: 0 LC: 1   xor:45815 
  Camus: 5 Lorenz: 25 BC: 1 LC: 0   xor:45814 
  Camus: 6 Lorenz: 26 BC: 2 LC: 3   xor:45813 
  Camus: 7 Lorenz: 27 BC: 3 LC: 2   xor:45812 
  Camus: 12 Lorenz: 16 BC: 8 LC: 9   xor:45823 
  Camus: 13 Lorenz: 17 BC: 9 LC: 8   xor:45822 
  Camus: 14 Lorenz: 18 BC: 10 LC: 11   xor:45821 
  Camus: 15 Lorenz: 19 BC: 11 LC: 10   xor:45820 
  Camus: 36 Lorenz: 56 BC: 32 LC: 33   xor:45783 
  Camus: 37 Lorenz: 57 BC: 33 LC: 32   xor:45782 
  Camus: 38 Lorenz: 58 BC: 34 LC: 35   xor:45781

  I think either 45783 (0xB2D7) or 45781 is the correct xor cipher for Atk. Altean Groom Marth takes zero damage from Lance Cavalier in this video while taking extremely minimal damage from Camus in this video, so Camus's and Lance Cavalier's attack must be close. I am an amateur at forensics so let me know if anything is wrong. Endilyn (talk) 02:54, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

  More results not listed last time:

   
  Camus: 39 Lorenz: 59 BC: 35 LC: 34   xor:45780 
  Camus: 44 Lorenz: 48 BC: 40 LC: 41   xor:45791 
  Camus: 45 Lorenz: 49 BC: 41 LC: 40   xor:45790 
  Camus: 46 Lorenz: 50 BC: 42 LC: 43   xor:45789 
  Camus: 47 Lorenz: 51 BC: 43 LC: 42   xor:45788

  I think it is actually 45791. The reasoning is as follows (resolution: 1080x1920): A neutral Duma suffered 31px of damage, while a -Def one suffered 41px of damage. The health bar in total is 150px. The ratio, or percent, of damage done to Duma in relation to his full HP is 31/150 or 41/150. Duma's HP is 48. (31/150) * 48 = 9.92 damage, and (41/150) * 48 = 13.12. The difference here is about 3 when rounded, as expected by having 3 less Def. Duma's defense is 34 (or 31 with -Def), so adding that to the damages, that would make Camus's Atk 44. Endilyn (talk) 04:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  Stahl (unequipped all, neutral) receives 60px of damage from Lorenz. 60/150 * 45 = 18 damage. 18 dmg + 30 def = 48 atk. Camus's Atk in the same row is 44, matching the previous analysis. The correct cipher is definitely 45791. Endilyn (talk) 16:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  Arden (60 hp, 41 def) receive 16 damage (because follow-up) from LC. Which mean LC had 49 atk, and without weapon-triangle advantage, 41 Atk. That seems to agreed your theorie. Pival13 (talk) 17:41, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

• Considering Spd is just after Atk, here are the most coherente xor value:

   
  Camus: 27 Lorenz: 15 BC: 25 LC: 31 xor:44664
  Camus: 26 Lorenz: 14 BC: 24 LC: 30 xor:44665
  Camus: 25 Lorenz: 13 BC: 27 LC: 29 xor:44666
  Camus: 24 Lorenz: 12 BC: 26 LC: 28 xor:44667
  Camus: 31 Lorenz: 11 BC: 29 LC: 27 xor:44668
  Camus: 30 Lorenz: 10 BC: 28 LC: 26 xor:44669
  Camus: 29 Lorenz: 9 BC: 31 LC: 25 xor:44670
  Camus: 28 Lorenz: 8 BC: 30 LC: 24 xor:44671
  

  Considering the Bow Cavalier's speed is between Camus's and Lance Cavalier's, it should be either 44668 or 44669. But if your Saber can't follow-up the BC, it should be 44670. More tests seems to be needed. (PS: in Shadow Dragon and New Mystery, Horseman have greater speed than Paladin, that's why the same seems to applied here) Pival13 (talk) 20:00, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
• Before Atk is HP as those values are around 250. I think generic have more than 128 HP, so the binary XOR would be something like

   
  1100 1011 1... ....
  .... .... .1.. .... If we consider Bow Cavalier has lowest HP, 0 if Lance Cavalier.
  .... .... ..0. .... If we consider Lorenz has highest HP, 1 if Camus

  . Pival13 (talk) 08:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Completion rewards

I'm trying to store rewards for cleared locations. However I don't know how should I calculate the time for completion.
The fact is that there is several ways to clear the four first locations (all time are without bonus, extra teams are considered to be unlocked after 20 and 60 lines, meaning 20 and 40 hours respectively):

• After 66:40 hours, with completions after 20 and 66:40 hours.
  • After 20h: Put teams on 40 and 45.
  • After 31h40: Move the 40's team on the 35. (Time remaining: 35 = 35h, 40 = 28h20, 45 = 33h20)
  • After 38h20: Move 45's team on 40. (Time remaining: 35 = 28h20, 40 = 28h20, 45 = 26h40)
  • After 40h: Put the third team on 45 (Time remaining: 35 = 26h40, 40 = 26h40, 45 = 26h40)
• After 85 hours, with completions after 20, 55, 60 and 85 hours.
  • After 20h: Put teams on 35 and 40.
  • After 40h: Put the third team on 45 (Time remaining: 35 = 15h, 40 = 20h, 45 = 45h)
• After 75 hours, with completions after 20, 60, 65 and 75 hours.
  • After 20h: Put teams on 40 and 45.
  • After 40h: Put the third team on 35 (Time remaining: 35 = 35h, 40 = 20h, 45 = 25h)
• After 70 hours, with completions after 20, 65 and 70 hours.
  • After 20h: Put teams on 40 and 45.
  • After 30h: Move 40's team on 35. (Time remaining: 35 = 35h, 40 = 30h, 45 = 35h)
  • After 40h: Put the third team on 40 (Time remaining: 35 = 25h, 40 = 30h, 45 = 25h)
• Etc

The first one is the better to get all rewards as fast as possible, while the second one is the better to get each reward as fast as possible. That's why I don't know which one should I use. Pival13 (talk) 13:38, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

After reconsideration, I think I will simply use the time necessary for each location when they are unlock (in the above case, after 20, 55, 60 and 65 hours). Pival13 (talk) 09:34, 5 July 2020 (UTC)