Talk: Ally Support

After doing some testing I found out some things about Ally Supports

Going from C to B
* If the two units are 'in range' of each other and kill every enemy on the map, regardless of enemy count it will take 4 maps to reach B support
* If the two units are 'in range' of each other and do not kill every enemy on the map, regardless of enemy count it will take 5 maps to reach B support
** If the two units are not 'in range' of each other but still kill every enemy, it will not count as the pair killing them and will take 5 maps
'In range' means within distant to get the ranged bonus from support (2 spaces)

Some notes
* Maps are the determining factor, not kills
* Supported characters must be in range.
** However, closeness in range (adjacent vs 1 away) doesn't affect maps needed (they are the same)

Notes on Methodology
* Tested using BK x healers
* Tested in Stratum 8-10
* Both units level 40

Some more things to doo
* Test A support and S support map counts
* Test mixing map enemy counts and kill counts
* Testing other map types (like CC)

I'll do more testing later if you have questions ping me on the discord

[[User:Soulskourer|Soulskourer]] ([[User talk:Soulskourer|talk]]) 15:46, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Update #2
B -> A
* Takes 13 maps if the units are within range and kill all
* Have not tested mixed killing (not kill all) scenarios
[[User:Soulskourer|Soulskourer]] ([[User talk:Soulskourer|talk]]) 02:16, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

== Some data ==
Also see [[Talk:Summoner Support#Some data]] for earlier tests and results.
Sharena + Alfonse, 10th Stratum
# Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills.
# Alfonse in battle once while in range, 1 kill.
# Sharena in battle once while in range, 1 kill.
# Alfonse in battle once while in range, 0 kills.
# Sharena in battle twice while in range, 1 kill - then dies.
# Alfonse in battle once while in range, 1 kill. [c->b]
'''Conclusion: B-rank can be reached in 6 maps'''

# Sharena in battle once while in range, 1 kill.
# Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills - then dies.
# Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills.
# Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills.
# Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills.
# Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills. [c->b]
'''Conclusion: Kills are not required'''

# Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills - then dies.
# Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills - everybody dies.
# Alfonse in battle once while in range, 0 kills - then dies.
# Alfonse in battle once while in range, 0 kills - then dies, Sharena also dies.
# Alfonse in battle once while in range, 0 kills - then dies.
# Alfonse in battle once while in range, 0 kills - Sharena dies.
# Alfonse in battle three times (two foes), 0 kills - Sharena dies. [c->b]
'''Conclusion: Surviving is not required (but map has to be cleared, see map 2)'''

8th Stratum:
# Alfonse 2 kills, Sharena 1 kill, (Ike 1 kill). (Always next to each other)
# Alfonse 3 kills, Sharena 1 kill. (Always next to each other)
# Alfonse 1 kill, Sharena 3 kills. (Always next to each other) [c->b]
'''Conclusion: B-rank can be reached in 3 maps'''
'''Theory: Both units can contribute to the count'''

8th Stratum (No weapons)
# Sharena in battle once (rng 1), Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
# Sharena in battle once (rng 1), Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
# Sharena in battle once (rng 1), Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills. [c->b]

# Sharena in battle once (rng 2), Alfonse in battle once (rng 2). No kills.
# Sharena in battle once (rng 2), Alfonse in battle once (rng 2). No kills.
# Sharena in battle once (rng 2), Alfonse in battle once (rng 2). No kills. [c->b]
'''Conclusion: Range does not matter, as long as the unit is currently being supported while in battle'''

# Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
# Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
# Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
# Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
# Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
# Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills. [c->b]

# Sharena in battle once (rng 1), Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
# Sharena in battle once (rng 1), Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
# Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
# Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills. [c->b]
'''Conclusion: Each unit in the pair can contribute once per map.'''

Using level 40 [[Ike]] to solo [[Part 5: Warriors]] on hard (level 35 enemies), while supported from range 2 by level 40 [[Maria]]. It took 6 runs to reach B-support, an additional 18 runs (total 24) to reach A support, and an additional 36 runs (total 60) to reach S support.

Having Maria join in battle before completing a map did indeed contribute, however healing did not (dancing also does not).

In a separate set, placing them at 5 pts (1+2+2), then overshooting the limit of 6 pts by having Maria tap Camilla before completing the map, theoretically bringing them to 7 pts, still required 18 pts to reach A support (17 was not enough). Therefore, the counter is reset upon reaching each support level.

[[User:Saschb|Saschb]] ([[User talk:Saschb|talk]]) 07:54, 18 October 2017 (UTC)