Talk: Arena tier list

Red tome column is completely broken.

1. Sophia and Lyon are nearly identical in stats and functionality. Lyon just trades 2 def for 1 res, and he makes up for his lack of IVs with his tome, which is just Rauorraven with 3 more mt (and +Atk is the optimal boon on Sophia anyway). So tell me how Sophia is one tier above?

2. Tharja is just missing completely.

3. In what world is Henry as good as Katarina, M!Morgan and S!Eirika? Katarina and Morgan are solid in every stat except for defense (and HP), and Eirika trades res for more mobility and Glepinir. On the other hand, Henry is absolutely atrocious in every stat except defense and cannot reliably kill anything, even with TA.

4. Lilina being S-tier shouldn't mean Celica moves down. She's arguably better than Celica, but certainly not that much better to move her down. Celica's speed more than makes up for her lower attack, meaning she'll deal more damage overall to a foe; two very powerful hits are better than one extremely powerful hit, after all. Her extra res is less important seeing as how she's a player phase yet, running Death Blow and all.

Effectively, Lilina's real advantage is just Chill Res, which is a decent advantage and all, but when all is said and done? Celica is vastly superior to Sanaki and non-flier emblem H!Nowi, and therefore deserves to be a tier above them. It's not so much that Celica should be even with Lilina, but rather that she's superior to the aforementioned mages, and being in the same tier as them doesn't make sense–she's much closer to Lilina than she is to them in terms of strength.

Not a tier list person, but I believe many of your questions will be answered here. Valexiv (talk) 20:40, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

No Love Abounds Lilina

She's missing from the detailed ratings. 170.218.231.21 19:59, 19 April 2018 (UTC) L'Arachel is too. 170.218.231.23 13:24, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Not enough separation within tier lists.

I believe the tier list while fair in its own respects, it has too many units crowding within the same tiers especially on the red side of things. While it's true there is way too units of the same color in the game and the stat differences are hardly a difference in the speedy and highly offensive red side of things, there is now an unused C tier where I believe units with even the most minute differences could be separated off.

The lack of units even in C tier is remarkably counterintuitive. I understand the argument that “all units in a tier are comparable, they just perform different roles,” however the issue is that, despite some units being as good as another in their respective roles, this does not mean they are just as good, as the role of one may not be as useful in the current meta as another. For example, lets say that the meta is flooded by magic users. Arden is not going to be as useful as other red armored units, in spite of his remarkable physical tanking ability, as on little plink from a mage will kill him. Would he still have his niche? Absolutely- no one can tank physical hits like him. However the presence of a butt ton of mages would decrease the viability of said niche.

Furthermore, i mean, come on- its not like all the 4000 sword units in A are all just as good. Sure you can build them effectively and create solid units out of them, but some are certainly better than others. The lower tiers need to be filled more with some of the worse higher tier units. Also the term “C” is highly misleading to new players, when C is actually the worst possible. Swagmaster222 (talk) 03:12, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Names of Tiers

It's kind of dumb to have 7 tiers where the lowest is B. Having +'s and -'s is just more confusing. Please just make it S+, S, A, B, C, D, E, F or something. Or shift everything down and add G and/or H. Thanks.

Every unit has a baseline of usability due to weapon triangle and (albeit not part of rating criteria) things like summoner support. A unit at tier D, E, or F is basically "this unit is so garbage that you cannot use this unit, or they will just be deadweight". This is not how FEH plays out though. Units can be very bad, but if you try hard enough you can always carve out a niche for your character.

The tier list was made with this in mind: a unit might be bad, but they can still be used.

About Holy War focus

I don't want to force my views into the wiki, so let's discuss. I don't really agree with Ayra and Arden (especially him) being added as S+, while units like Sigurd, who is an absolute monster, are still in S. Arden has way too many flows in this game, whatever the meta. Any mage with any weapon will destroy him, and one can kite him forever. The Black Knight would be much more reasonable, if any. Any thoughts?

I agree with you there. Ryoma was demoted due to being unfavored by the most prominent meta units (namely Reinhardt and B!Lyn), yet Ayra and Arden suffer from the same weaknesses, so I seriously don't know how they made it to S+. Arden can tank B!Lyn, I guess, but being able to survive that one unit doesn't seem like a good enough to be promoted all the way to the top over his fellow sword lords, especially with his armored mobility making him a literal sitting duck versus horses. And in Ayra's case, she'd probably be S+ under normal circumstances, but certainly not in a cavalry-infested meta, where her infantry mobility doesn't do her much good and she's easily picked off. I'm curious as to why the current meta seems to not have been factored in when ranking Arden and Ayra, it's unfair towards the other units who were demoted solely because of the meta.

Think about the specific roles that these units offer. Ryoma and Ike are primarily enemy-phase builds, pairing their distant-counter swords with skills like Steady Breath, Quick Riposte, and Vantage. Since their strength as units relies on baiting enemy units on the enemy-phase, and they could not do this against Reinhardt or B!Lyn, their performance in the meta-game has decreased. Ayra, on the other hand, may also fall to Reinhardt and B!Lyn, but this is largely irrelevant, since much of her fighting is done on the player-phase rather than the enemy-phase. She has the highest base speed in the game when factoring in the bonus from her weapon. Furthermore, the Heavy Blade-like effect from her weapon in combination with her overpowered Regnal Astra special or even Galeforce gives her unparalleled offensive potential. On top of all that, she can even take over Ryoma and Ike's niche if she runs Distant Counter.

As for Arden, he is simply a Black Knight with exaggerated strengths. His HP and defense both exceed the Black Knight's significantly and are the highest in the game. The Black Knight's speed at 34 is excellent for an armored unit, but since he can't have IV's and armor teams usually don't run Hone Armor, his speed isn't enough to double most meta units anyway without Quick Riposte. Arden's follow-up ring not only has a more lenient HP threshold to activate compared to Quick Riposte, but also works on the player-phase like a inverse-Brash Assault - practically negating his horrible speed. Therefore, when Arden runs a Distant Counter build, he takes the Black Knight's niche and does it just as well or possibly better, and gains a offensive, player-phase niche of his own that the Black Knight does not have. Of course, he needs expensive skill inheritance to do this (namely sacrificing a Hector), so the Black Knight is still a viable budget option.

Even when taking into account their fully inherited strength, the S+ rank is supposed to represent "oppressively powerful" units. Units that win all advantageous matchups and a large chunk of neutral ones. Units that must be dealt with specific care. These two needing distant counter is not an argument, it's a disadvantage for them, because they pass on another good A skill.

I'd argue that the Black Knight is a better tank than Arden, because he's more balanced on defence/resistance, has built-in distant counter, and his speed allows him not to be doubled by most units. This meta is especially full of mages, mainly thanks to their range, but we don't see many archers either. Except Brave Lyn, for mobility, stats and skills reasons.

I'll keep an eye on the Arena meta, but my doubts are here. Ayra comes with luck, but Arden is pretty much free for everyone. If I don't see him enough in Arena in the coming weeks/months, I'll demote him, and launch a discussion on Reddit for a revamp of the current table. Arguments, polls, the current classification has gone too far per single person edits and lack of consensus.

Why was Sigurd moved down?

Sigurd is a very powerful and valuable unit, especially in the current metagame filled with Reinhardt and B!Lyn–both of which he can easily shrug off. He has high attack, respectable speed, excellent defense, and two skills that completely mitigate his low resistance. He has no notable weaknesses, he's arguably the strongest and most versatile tank in the game, and he's a cavalry unit to boot. What downfalls does he apparently possess that prompt him to be demoted, while other sword lords such as B!Roy and Ike remain S-tier (especially the former)?

His placement on the F2P tier list is especially ridiculous. Equivalent to Cain, Boey and Niles? Really? He doesn't need optimal IVs to shine, nor is he as reliant on DC as you seem to believe. (In face, DC interferes with Crusader's Ward, so it could even be considered detrimental.) I sense heavy bias in his underserved low placement on both lists.

Agreed. As mentioned above, the highest tiers for swords are ridiculous.

Sigurd literally has no weaknesses when running Crusader's Ward/Divine Tyrfing. No real fault to him whatsoever. Unless the game has evolved to the point where A+ means no weaknesses and S/S+ means has flaws but who cares, which I know it hasn't, since I struggle more on average against Sigurd than any Tana or Cordelia.

Sigurd absolutely has weaknesses. He's a defensive powerhouse, but not very strong. He's too slow to double enemy units on player phase and is completely reliant on enemy phase to kill enemies. Yes, being able to tank Reinhardt as a red unit is nice, but the optimal play is to lure out and kill Reinhardt with a dedicated counter anyway, so it's not like Sigurd's niche is particularly useful (if Sigurd is your best Reinhardt option, you're doing something wrong). Crusader's Ward is practically a non-option; he flat out loses the ability to kill units without Quick Riposte, so he can't use it, and yes, he's very reliant on DC to gain crucial coverage against ranged units, and his Tyrfing is less impressive in a game where Slaying Edge+ exists. Ultimately, Sigurd isn't comparable to units like Brave Roy and Siegbert, who have the power and speed to kill units on player phase (which makes the most out of their excellent movement), and can still be used on enemy phase.

You have to consider how impossible it is to compare Tana and Cordelia to Sigurd. They might not be as effective on defense teams, however thats not their purpose. If your building a defense team using tana and Cordy, youre doing something wrong. Yes, they are easily disposed when attacked, however they dispose of things AT LEAST as easily. Among offensive units, they really stand out as truly the best of the best. Swagmaster222 (talk) 03:16, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Dragon Emblem?

Have the dragons received any consideration for the Emblem Tier list for teams with Dark Aura and Fortify Dragons?

The reason is simple, there isn't hone, goad, or ward dragon currently in the game. And if you add Delthea to the team, she will not receive any buffs. She only helps other dragons with buffs. Emblem teams are suppose to help buff each other. In addition, with the current buffs, it doesn't make the units particularly more stronger. For example, it would be better to use Ike or Ryoma instead of both Adult and Young Tiki. Once IS include hone dragon at least, we will probably include dragon emblem. Leesangstar10 (talk) 03:24, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Well theyve included it now, so I’d get on that. Myrrh has changed the meta for sure; these changes need to be accounted for. Swagmaster222 (talk) 03:18, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

If Ryoma was moved down, what about Cordelia and Tana?

Your reasons for moving down Ryoma were valid (as much as I hate to move him down), but couldn't the same be said about Cordelia and Tana? In the current meta flocked with Reinhardt and CYL Lyn, both Cordy and Tana are picked off very easily (Reins usually have Lancebreaker, and Lyn is effective against fliers). Not to mention both of them lose out on Steady Breath, being unable to utilize it themselves but having to deal with enemies that have it. Plus, there's the rise of CYL Ike to take into account, who is a counter to both Cordelia and Tana.

Frankly, if Ryoma is being moved down due to being unfavored by the current meta, then Cordelia and Tana should be as well, as they're arguably even more unfavored and less versatile than Ryoma is. I can't remember the last time either of them caused trouble for me, not nearly as much as Hector, Reinhardt, Brave Lyn, or even Ryoma himself have.

The difference between Cordelia/Tana and Ryoma's roles are completely different. Ryoma is mostly a enemy phase unit and Cordelia and Tana are exclusively for player phase. Ryoma is meant to take hits but Cordelia and Tana aren't meant to take any hits, they are meant to attack during player phase and move out of the range. It makes little sense for a unit that is suppose to tank get completely destroyed by the most prominent units in the meta right now (Reinhardt and Brave Lyn) to be in S+ tier. The fact that Brave Lyn and Reinhardt are dominant in the current meta doesn't affect the tier placement for Cordy and Tana since skilled players will make sure that they aren't in the range of those kinds of units. Also, Ryoma actually has trouble dealing with BIke despite WTA. Ryoma actually dies from standard BIke with ignis. While Cordy and Tana have bad matchups against BIke, they aren't meant to take on BIke since they are blue. They are mainly meant to destroy any red units and blue units. Also, they have access to fire sweep lance. It can help do chip damage to BIke. The reason why Cordy and Tana didn't move down is because nothing really changed. They still can do their role well as they used to. On the other hand, Ryoma can't do his job well as he used to. He got screwed over by the inclusion of Brave Lyn and BIke Leesangstar10 (talk) 03:24, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Why is Michalis A-/A rank while Frederick is A+/S rank?

Frederick has a neutral stat line of 43HP/ 35Atk/ 25Spd/ 36Def/ 18Res.

While Michalis has a stat line of 43HP/ 34Atk/ 26Spd/ 35Def/ 19Res.

These two are practically identical to each other, yet the tier suggests that former is beyond superior to the latter?
The description compares Michalis to Beruka, who has 46HP/ 29Atk/ 23Spd/ 37Def/ 22Res; she has notably lower offense while holding slightly more bulk. Odder still is that Frederick is referred to as "essentially cavalry Cherche" who has 46HP/ 38Atk/ 25Spd/ 32Def/ 16Res, which conversely is more offensive while being more fragile than Frederick and Michalis.
On top of this, Michalis has a legendary Killer Axe! So from the start he has an edge over Frederick, Cherche, and Beruka!

Beruka functions as a low damage wall, whilst Cherche is a front line fighter. Michalis and Frederick fill a different role as a tank that can fill both rolls with the right skills. I find that they work best with Killer Axe (or variant thereof) with Quick Repost and Ignis, allowing them to proc their special with nearly every counter attack thanks to their low speed.

I don't see arrows as a major problem for Michalis, as he exclusively holds Iote's Shield, and I don't think his lack of IVs really factor that much as he can effectively do his job as a tank with the stats given, especially with a Fortify Flier buff. Sure he could benefit from them, as my +HP/-Spd Frederick does, but it's not like he's losing anything by not having the variants.

Overall I feel like this guy is being given a fair shake... especially since he's being put right next to Narcian, who is unfortunately very lackluster with his flat stats.

Frederick is valued higher for his brave axe build. Likewise with Cherche, she stands out as the best brave axe user hence why she is even higher. Michalis cannot run brave as well as them because having an attack IV is the most important part for using a brave axe. When it comes to tanking, you have to look at the problem that tanks run steady breath now and Michalis as a flier cannot learn steady breath which makes him fairly outclassed as a physical tank.

Should Brave Ike be moved to S+?

I figured with the CYL event, the meta would get clogged with Brave Lyn and Brave Lucina, so I chose Brave Ike to counter them. While this has worked incredibly well, I can't help but feel he should be higher, and this is why.

The arena tier list is about how well a unit fairs against the current meta game. The meta is clogged with units like Brave Lyn and Lucina, Reinhardt, Effie, and all of these on Emblem bonus teams to boot (except for Brave Lucina of course). Brave Ike is the perfect counter for the perfect metagame. Going unit by unit through the S+ rank, Tana, Cordelia, and Effie are all lance users that fall very easily to Brave Ike. Tana does not have the defence to deal with Brave Ike, and is very easily killed on either player or enemy turn. Cordelia does even worse, as her brave lance+ makes her fully charge Brave Ike's special counter for Aether, allowing him to heal big and one shot her on either phase. Both of these fliers lose their emblem bonuses to his b slot skill. Effie is a bit more challenging, as Brave Ike's B slot skill does not hurt her. However, she still gets outmatched, and Brave Ike's default skill set, which is arguably the best for him, punishes her for using her wary fighter/brave lance+ build. Dire thunder from Reinhardt fully charges Aether, which will heal any damage Brave Ike took. Inigo is too weak to take any hits from Brave Ike, who is more than capable enough to stop attacks by Inigo. Hector is almost evenly matched, but he does in the end lose to Brave Ike's stat line, superior movement, and healing special. Brave Ike has the defence to tank any hits by Brave Lyn or Bride Cordelia, and can even cancel any boosts Emblem teams might give Lyn. Their superior speed plays into his hands by charging his special more. Then on the player phase, he can one round them both. He has the ability to win matchups against many high tier red units, all blue units, and most if not all green uits. Colorless rarely have the strength to overcome his high defence.

His high stats allow easy use of the Panic Ploy Sacred Seal, and his Tank followed by Aether allows him to use Assists like Reciprocal Aid or Ardent Sacrifice. He has possibly the most coveted skill for inheritance, and potential to be the strongest unit on any team, especially if given fortify and hone bonuses for def, str, and res. In general, the only units he struggles with are fast and powerful red mages, and while they are well liked, they are not too prevalent, and cannot always one round Brave Ike, something he can more than do to them.

I really can't tell why he is not already S+ tier. He more than beats the current holders of that rank, has a very good stat line, and is perfect for almost every corner of the meta. If he had a unit like Camus, Ike, or the Black Knight, it would solve any problem he might face against red mages.

I totally second this. While, unlike several other comparable axe users, he might not have distant counter built in or even really as an option (I dont think anyone would argue that giving up steady breath is a good idea), he doesn’t need it. Urvan allows him to tank the crap out of just about anything that isn’t a red mage (also some powerful green’s could probs break him- I haven’t run the calcs), then retaliate the next turn and fully heal himself, or at least get close. The meta is full of things that really dont scare him that much. Tana and Cordelia, for example, are two more S+ arena tierlist units that get absolutely destroyed by B!Ike. If they run the firesweep build, they hit him and he cant retaliate, but they cant really touch him at all. Their quad sets get absolutely raped when they cant break through his gargantuan defenses at all and then get nuked in return.

Tl;Dr: B!Ike is an incredible unit that is super anti-meta rn and deserves more love than he gets. Swagmaster222 (talk) 02:30, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

X Emblem Buff Tier List

Since the S- tier has been added to the buff-free tier list, should the S- tier be added to the X Emblem tier list too? It's useful for us to know which of the top tier units after Emblem buffs are the best.

Updated the letters of the emblem tables to match the new tier naming. Saschb (talk) 02:31, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Caeda (BB) and Celica are missing

I don't know why, but they're not listed on the tier list. I assume this is just a minor mistake and not a site glitch, since they're on the other tier list. Another minor thing, but Arvis and Ayra were both put on the tier list on the same day, but Arvis was never said to be added. I noticed this a couple months ago but assumed it would be fixed. It's not very important, but I thought I might as well point it out with this more important bit. Laikue (talk) 01:50, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Dragon Emblem

Since Myrrh has Hone Dragons, should there be a tier list for Dragon Emblem?

Bunmilla tier ranking

With the release of the Iotes shield SS, I feel that Bunmilla seriously deserves to move up to S-/S. The meta is incredibly B!Lyn/Reinhardt flooded at the moment (During my recent Arena run, I believe I saw at least 5 Lyns and probably at least 3 Reinhardt’s), and her TA/RT/Iotes Shield set presents a reliable hard stop to both of them, even taking Mulagir into account. This ability to absolutely shut down two of the most common units in the entire meta can make her remarkably useful. Flier teams in particular really appreciate it, as the suffocating presence of these two units seriously hinders their usefulness. However shes already S+ on that “emblem team tier list” or (whatever its called), so this is arguably a moot point.

Returning to the topic at hand, Bunmilla bates both of the threats listed above remarkably easily and retaliates with a vengeance- with or without flier boosts. Furthermore- her increased mobility allows her to easily bate any and all archers/blue mages that could potentially give your team trouble otherwise and absolutely destroy them. Archers in particular are basically sitting ducks, given her very solid defense stat. That’s not even considering the rise of healers, who she also destroys, as well as the dagger units that always seem to pop up (bar refined rogue dagger- literal cancer, btw- and kitty pattle, but I actually haven’t hardly seen either very much).

TL;DR: playboy bunny’s remarkable anti-meta abilities make her a solid unit for just about any team, clearing the way for another unit to mop up the mess she leaves behind. Swagmaster222 (talk) 02:54, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

No "Detailed Ratings" for the Fallen Heroes units?

I was scrolling through looking for the Notes pertaining to Fallen Robin, but couldn't find any. I looked for F!Celica and Hardin, too, but none of them appear in the Detailed list. Is this an oversight?

Brave Ike should be S tier at minimum

His description calls him a metagame defining threat, yet he's only in A+ tier. I feel people overlook his immense damage output with specials, as well as being a solid counter to a lot of other meta defining threats. I've done countless tests with his builds, and his versatility is quite ridiculous. If you already have a counter to the main meta units, you can run a build that turns him into a universal delete button. Wrath+Ignis+Giant Spoon+High base attack and defense+Steady Breath=Loads of dead units. He can be put into any team and he will be able to bring down tons of units. Long story short, this tier list needs A LOT of updating.

Defense Ploy is extremely overrated

When the main reason for a unit having an S tier placement is defense ploy, I think there's a problem. It isn't a complete game changer like Distant/Close Counter, Steady/Warding Breath, Bold/Vengeful Fighter, etc. People tend to ridicule this tier list due to how much defense ploy influences it. If anything, Speed Ploy is better due to the fact that it can allow some slower units (like Arvis) double units that they would otherwise be unable to.

Chrom: Knight Exalt missing

As listed, the tier list breakdown is missing an entry for the Knight Exalt version of Chrom.

Halloween Jacob is trash

I really don’t see why he is S+. From my own experience he is the worst unit in the game. I don’t know if I’ve just had good counters or what, but every single one I’ve encountered has done 0 damage on his attack or as a counter attack. I had one off of his original banner and had the same issue with him. I’ve yet to see one do 1 point of damage to an enemy, why is this guy rated so high? ShanesAddiction (talk) 20:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Extra tier for S+ tier

I see that there are a lot of units in the S+ tier after a lot of power creeps have been added to the game. I feel like some of the Heroes in the S+ tier are noticeably better or worse than others in the same tier, color, and weapon class. I feel like there should be another tier added in between S+ tier and S tier, or another tier that is even higher than the S+ tier.

Fix it, Fix it all

- Faye has 30 base atk and no spd, she has absolutely no right to be called the best infantry archer, or even a good one for that matter. Her decent at best mixed bulk does not make up for her nonexistent offense. - LA!Eliwood is clsoer to Wendy than Effie and Harden in terms of use, especially since he is denied further merges and ivs. - Brave Celica is better Karla, especially considering the possibilities that arise with double lion. Her place being lower than Karla is nothing short of blatant stupidity. - Florina has shit attack, speed, and bad def. Her mixed bulk isn't even all that great to start, with 25 base def, and even if it was, her offenses are way too bad to be compensated for. it's like Faye, only somehow worse. She deserves to be at the bottom of the tier list, not above Summer Cordelia. - Spring Xander, with 25 base attack, is above Camus, I should not have to explain how retarded that is. - Flyer Ninian is the highest rated dancer, despite having 28 attack and 38 spd, and being virtually useless outside of flying and dancing. Flyzura, with fantastic offenses (for a flyer, mind you) is below her. More offensive, Flylivia, with a personal weapon that grants +3 to all a targets stats when she dances, is also below her, despite having infinetally more support use than her and better stats. - Ogma in A+ - Bride Catria and Spring Lucina being in the same tier as fucking Robin is horribly offensive, and being below Oliver is downright riot-worthy. They're not great, but they're certainly better than those two garbage-fires. - Boey in the same tier as the Fast green mages, come on fuckers - Julia being a full tier above Dierdre despite having near identical stats and identical weapons. - I'd be willing to allow the horrible mistreatment of cav units under the guise of poor arena scoring, if you hadn't rated all the cav healers above the infantry ones. - Est in A+, even after being the laughing stock of the internet after that def-plot nonsense they still didn't fix their issue. - Amelia below Christmas Lissa, nani the fuck.

Saizo versus Matthew

How do you possibly rank Saizo below Matthew when, in the guide's own words:

"The sly spy's unfortunately got little going for him, as his impressive Speed and Defense do not make up for his mediocre Attack and very low Resistance. His statspread is honestly quite bad and he's outclassed by virtually every dagger unit in the game."

And, of course, for Saizo:

"Saizo's a cut above your standard dagger unit, but he still falls short of the very best."

So, Matthew is worse than every other dagger unit, and Saizo is above others. In your own words.

Try updating this archaic list.

I mean some real updating. Nohrian Dusk is still listed as the latest heroes. Festival Micaiah never received an explanation on her position in the tier list, which is laughable as she's probably the best dancer in the game and an integral counter to countless S tiers.

Stop armor wanking.

Halloween Niles, Halloween Kagero are "S-". Are you kidding me? These units are hilariously bad and unviable for high level play. This on top of the fact that the S tier is either blue mages, red swords, dancers, or armors. This is a joke, and a really bad joke. The top of arena is not just "any armor will do". Horses have taken back the meta and wrathful healers are the plague of the metagame.

Legendary Marth Arena Tier Explanation

I've been wondering for a while, but why hasn't Legendary Marth had an Arena Tier explantion done about his tier level? He wasn't even placed on "New Heroes" when he had first come out. Shouldn't this have been done a long while ago? Whoever is able to write those things in, please add Legendary Marth in.