Talk:Ally Support

After doing some testing I found out some things about Ally Supports

Going from C to B 'In range' means within distant to get the ranged bonus from support (2 spaces)
 * If the two units are 'in range' of each other and kill every enemy on the map, regardless of enemy count it will take 4 maps to reach B support
 * If the two units are 'in range' of each other and do not kill every enemy on the map, regardless of enemy count it will take 5 maps to reach B support
 * If the two units are not 'in range' of each other but still kill every enemy, it will not count as the pair killing them and will take 5 maps

Some notes
 * Maps are the determining factor, not kills
 * Supported characters must be in range.
 * However, closeness in range (adjacent vs 1 away) doesn't affect maps needed (they are the same)

Notes on Methodology
 * Tested using BK x healers
 * Tested in Stratum 8-10
 * Both units level 40

Some more things to doo
 * Test A support and S support map counts
 * Test mixing map enemy counts and kill counts
 * Testing other map types (like CC)

I'll do more testing later if you have questions ping me on the discord

Soulskourer (talk) 15:46, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Update #2 B -> A Soulskourer (talk) 02:16, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Takes 13 maps if the units are within range and kill all
 * Have not tested mixed killing (not kill all) scenarios

Some data
Also see Talk:Summoner Support for earlier tests and results. Sharena + Alfonse, 10th Stratum Conclusion: B-rank can be reached in 6 maps
 * 1) Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills.
 * 2) Alfonse in battle once while in range, 1 kill.
 * 3) Sharena in battle once while in range, 1 kill.
 * 4) Alfonse in battle once while in range, 0 kills.
 * 5) Sharena in battle twice while in range, 1 kill - then dies.
 * 6) Alfonse in battle once while in range, 1 kill. [c->b]

Conclusion: Kills are not required
 * 1) Sharena in battle once while in range, 1 kill.
 * 2) Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills - then dies.
 * 3) Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills.
 * 4) Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills.
 * 5) Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills.
 * 6) Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills. [c->b]

Conclusion: Surviving is not required (but map has to be cleared, see map 2)
 * 1) Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills - then dies.
 * 2) Sharena in battle once while in range, 0 kills - everybody dies.
 * 3) Alfonse in battle once while in range, 0 kills - then dies.
 * 4) Alfonse in battle once while in range, 0 kills - then dies, Sharena also dies.
 * 5) Alfonse in battle once while in range, 0 kills - then dies.
 * 6) Alfonse in battle once while in range, 0 kills - Sharena dies.
 * 7) Alfonse in battle three times (two foes), 0 kills - Sharena dies. [c->b]

8th Stratum: Conclusion: B-rank can be reached in 3 maps Theory: Both units can contribute to the count
 * 1) Alfonse 2 kills, Sharena 1 kill, (Ike 1 kill). (Always next to each other)
 * 2) Alfonse 3 kills, Sharena 1 kill. (Always next to each other)
 * 3) Alfonse 1 kill, Sharena 3 kills. (Always next to each other) [c->b]

8th Stratum (No weapons)
 * 1) Sharena in battle once (rng 1), Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
 * 2) Sharena in battle once (rng 1), Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
 * 3) Sharena in battle once (rng 1), Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills. [c->b]

Conclusion: Range does not matter, as long as the unit is currently being supported while in battle
 * 1) Sharena in battle once (rng 2), Alfonse in battle once (rng 2). No kills.
 * 2) Sharena in battle once (rng 2), Alfonse in battle once (rng 2). No kills.
 * 3) Sharena in battle once (rng 2), Alfonse in battle once (rng 2). No kills. [c->b]


 * 1) Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
 * 2) Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
 * 3) Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
 * 4) Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
 * 5) Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
 * 6) Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills. [c->b]

Conclusion: Each unit in the pair can contribute once per map.
 * 1) Sharena in battle once (rng 1), Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
 * 2) Sharena in battle once (rng 1), Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
 * 3) Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills.
 * 4) Alfonse in battle once (rng 1). No kills. [c->b]

Using level 40 Ike to solo Part 5: Warriors on hard (level 35 enemies), while supported from range 2 by level 40 Maria. It took 6 runs to reach B-support, an additional 18 runs (total 24) to reach A support, and an additional 36 runs (total 60) to reach S support.

Having Maria join in battle before completing a map did indeed contribute, however healing did not (dancing also does not).

In a separate set, placing them at 5 pts (1+2+2), then overshooting the limit of 6 pts by having Maria tap Camilla before completing the map, theoretically bringing them to 7 pts, still required 18 pts to reach A support (17 was not enough). Therefore, the counter is reset upon reaching each support level.

Saschb (talk) 07:54, 18 October 2017 (UTC)