User talk:TheBreakingBenny

Regarding a note you left
Hi there. I saw you left a note in one of your edits:

"A little note; the first two tiers of a weapon can be obtained by all class types who use the weapon... right? Sword Fighters, Cavaliers, and Fliers all can access the sword, for example."

From the heroes we've seen so far, yes, this is true for most weapon types (eg. All Red Sword users start with Iron/Steel Sword). However, mages may start with different tomes despite being the same weapon type (eg. Red Tome users can start with either Flux+Ruin / Fire+Elfire).

Edit. I may have misunderstood your initial question, so I'll add this part on just in case as well. Yes, the first two tiers of weapons can be accessed (inherited) by all heroes of that class type. (So from my Red Tome example from before, all Red Tome users can inherit+learn Flux, Ruin, Fire, Elfire even if they did not start with it).

Elaeagnus (talk) 14:48, 11 April 2017 (EDT)Elaeagnus
 * Maybe there should be a small note for characters who don't get the specified weapon by default, then? Thunder to Elthunder for Blue Mages and Blue Cavaliers, and so on, while Flux to Fenrir become exceptions. I should probably do a guide for this... --BreakinBenny (talk) 18:30, 11 April 2017 (EDT)


 * I'm not sure I follow why it should be specified that a hero doesn't get a certain weapon by default, neither do I think we should deem certain weapons the "default" weapon of that weapon type.


 * Perhaps it's just that I'm not following exactly what the issue is here and if so my apologies. Maybe you could do a visual mock-up of what you mean?


 * Elaeagnus (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2017 (EDT)Elaeagnus
 * Then picture this; Alfonse, Roy, Marth, Lyn, Karel, all the way to Ryoma are all Sword Fighters, whereas Cain, Stahl, and Xander are Sword Cavaliers, and then there's the two Sword Fliers Caeda and Shiida. All of these characters are (Weapon) Fighters, Cavaliers, Fliers, or Knights by the weapon they use. If the first two weapons are sorted by type then I believe we can save the individual characters for branching weapons...

 Iron Dagger and Steel Dagger, then EITHER Silver Dagger, Rogue Dagger, Smoke Dagger, OR Poison Dagger  Iron Sword (innate), then Steel Sword, then EITHER (weapon) OR (weapon) For staves, Clerics and Troubadours either upgrade to either Mend or Recouncile, in this instance the skill after that shall mention which heroes obtain the skill currently shown. --BreakinBenny (talk) 07:08, 12 April 2017 (EDT)


 * I still don't have a completely clear idea of what you're trying to explain, but I'm going to make an attempt to understand. Are you trying to say that we should redo the current skill hero lists to show the skill branching and then the heroes vs. the current format where we show each individual hero and then their weapon branch?


 * So something like...

Elaeagnus (talk) 12:22, 12 April 2017 (EDT)Elaeagnus
 * Something like that, yes. However, make the first two display the map sprites for generic units to represent hero types, because as of right now we have a LOT of Sword Fighters in a row... End the branch at "Steel (Weapon)/El(tome)".


 * Like so...

...And this, for the tomes:

...Or this, for staves:

As for daggers?... Well, this is a bit funny because the dagger wielders in Fire Emblem Heroes arejn't necessarily Thieves or Ninja:

After that, feel free to branch it! --BreakinBenny (talk) 16:46, 12 April 2017 (EDT)


 * Ah, I think I see what you mean now. Personally I'm not a fan of using the generic enemy units though because in my mind, I look at that list and don't connect the generic enemy unit sprites to heroes / hero types. It's not very clear to a basic user what is trying to be conveyed in my opinion.


 * I'll bring it up with the other Wiki moderators, get their opinion, and get back to you.


 * Elaeagnus (talk) 17:40, 12 April 2017 (EDT)Elaeagnus

Usage
Just saw your edits to the Template:Skillbuild Infobox Default, and having made the same exact mistake you did (I also tried to use when we were first implementing the page), I believe the reason why it doesn't work is because MediaWiki does not have subpages enabled by default in the Main namespace. Thus something like  is actually its own page. Rather than  being a subpage of.

From MediaWiki's Help pages - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Subpages#Where_it_works

By default, MediaWiki's subpage feature is turned off in the main namespace, but can be used on talk pages and user pages. See Help:Namespaces for description of namespaces and $wgNamespacesWithSubpages to learn how to modify this default behavior. In namespaces where the feature is switched off, any forward slashes (/) within a page name are simply part of the page name and do nothing special.

I've brought it up with Teg and he said he'll take a look at it when he gets home in a few hours.

Julia
Hey there,

I was looking through recent changes, and must have accidentally clicked the revert button on one of your contributions. That was not my intention and I apologize for my mistake. I must say, however, that the language you used is not welcome on this wiki. Next time please try to voice your concerns in a friendlier manner. Valexiv (talk) 23:35, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Then perhaps I should've added a summary in my edit then, to make things easier. --Thebreakingbenny (talk) 23:59, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Regarding an edit comment you left
Hi there, it was brought to my attention that you left the following edit comment: The person who wrote this; do they speak English or can they even write it? "What" is not a real country

This isn't really an acceptable attitude to have in a Wiki. The entire purpose of the Wiki is to be a community project with community contribution. Some members may not have English as their first language, some members may be editing a Wiki for the first time, but just because their edits may not be the best doesn't mean we should look down and insult them when fixing their mistakes. Your behavior could very well drive away potential contributors who would like to learn and help.

PS. Happy Birthday. That's all.

- Elaeagnifolia (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the note on my treatment of seemingly odd English writing, Elaegnifolia. I suppose my main problem is I expect too much of people who may not be that good at the language written on this Wiki, should I perhaps loosen up? Honestly, I have somewhat fluctuating patience for errors made by others. --Thebreakingbenny (talk) 22:28, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

PS. Also, thanks for the celebration. I hope for the best of this Wiki's future and everyone else contributing to it.

Japanese Hero Names
Positioning of the Japanese hero names was discussed prior to implementation, the Hero Infobox was considered, but decided against. The "special interest" nature of the data, combined with the fact that this is a primarily English language wiki were the main factors. Having it located in Trivia also enables extra comments such as for the few characters who have different names in French, German, Spanish and Italian, or other bits and pieces of information (or trivia, if you will). Saschb (talk) 11:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Guess that makes sense, we won't have stuff like Caeda's European name Shiida cluttering up her general page. --Thebreakingbenny (talk) 12:37, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit comment on Generic Unit pages
"Are these unit types with different weapons? Because, there are no classes in FE Heroes."

Not sure what you meant by that, but it was left on the pages for the generic enemy units, which are not heroes. Care to elaborate? --Saschb (talk) 01:11, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I was referring to the generic characters as "types", since they all have one move type and choice of weapon each. Classes don't exist in FE Heroes, instead I consider sorting the various playable characters based on their weapon and movement. If Eliwood is a sword-wielding cavalier for example, then he's a Sword Cavalier. --Thebreakingbenny (talk) 19:45, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Sword Cavalier is the name of the generic (i.e. non-hero) enemy unit which is known in-game as a "Sword Cavalier". Eliwood would not be a Sword Cavalier, even though he is a Sword user and a Cavalry unit. As you mention, classes don't exist in this game, in the classic FE sense. If there was a wiki Category, or other group name, for cavalry units wielding swords, both Sword Cavalier and Eliwood would be equal members of that group - as long as it was not a category of cavalry heroes wielding swords, in which case the Sword Cavalier would not be a part of it, as it is not a hero. -- Saschb (talk) 21:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * My pitch for this was also declined on Fireemblemwiki.org, since again FE Heroes doesn't use any classes for the characters ingame... though that won't stop at least one of the unique characters from appearing alongside the generics at Hard Training Tower stratums. (They'll all use their strongest natural weapon and innate skills however, so that hinders 'em). Then again, not all "Thieves" in this game have low Defense like the generic ones, Kagero has slight physical protection from what I see. --Thebreakingbenny (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Regarding your change to the Assist template
Hi there, I just wanted to advise you to please exercise caution when editing any template that uses  as these templates are setting SMW (Semantic MediaWiki) properties which pages on the rest of the site pull. For example, when you removed the  from the Dance page, because the   for the name property wasn't updated, the Dance name property was being set to. (This was more a mistake on my part though for assuming that  would always be specified.)

Although there was no visually-facing error this time around and the fix was fairly simple, I just wanted to let you know to be mindful of these SMW properties since I know a few of your contributions involve removing these manual parameters.

Thank you for your contributions, - Elaeagnifolia (talk) 15:53, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Regarding usage in the HeroPage Tabs template
The reason  doesn't work isn't because it's grabbing the wrong name, but notice that this   will not work with the template.

Notice that with something like, parameter   is being set to   while parameter   is being set to. is used to set the active tab while, as you know, is used to set the tab links.

will not work because notice that there is no longer a second variable setting  and that   is being set to strategy. Hence why the tab defaults to the General tab and the rest of the links now become Strategy/Builds, Strategy/Strategy, etc.

Although changing this is possible, it will require either some unnecessary complex logic to check for if is set or not, or an update of every single page that uses. My preference is towards the latter since that way it keeps the template simple. When I have the time, I'll look into doing this.

Although, it has been brought up by another Wiki moderator to just leave it as is since it works as intended vs. editing through 600+ pages. Thus, leaving it as is may be the better course of action here.

- Elaeagnifolia (talk) 17:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, then all right. Then again, bots can kind-of deal with this. Admittedly it was tough for me making every page involving the Avatar character from New Mystery of the Emblem use the "canon" default name. --Thebreakingbenny (talk) 21:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Regarding names under icons
Hey there, we've discussed the removal of names under character portraits and decided that it's not a good idea. The reason is, that many of the FEH players visiting the wiki are new to the game, and maybe even to the franchise, so it would be hard for them to recognize the hero solely on their portrait. Valexiv (talk) 19:29, 29 September 2017 (UTC)